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		<title>By: Alki homes for sale</title>
		<link>http://biggerthanyourhead.net/2008/08/09/a-few-bottles-from-trader-joes/comment-page-1/#comment-458032</link>
		<dc:creator>Alki homes for sale</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 May 2011 01:17:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I in addition to my guys came digesting the great pointers from the website and so the sudden got a horrible feeling I never thanked the blog owner for those tips. Those people happened to be  joyful to learn all of them and have in effect quite simply been having fun with those things. I appreciate you for simply being well considerate as well as for considering variety of beneficial guides millions of individuals are really desperate to discover. My sincere regret for not expressing appreciation to  earlier.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I in addition to my guys came digesting the great pointers from the website and so the sudden got a horrible feeling I never thanked the blog owner for those tips. Those people happened to be  joyful to learn all of them and have in effect quite simply been having fun with those things. I appreciate you for simply being well considerate as well as for considering variety of beneficial guides millions of individuals are really desperate to discover. My sincere regret for not expressing appreciation to  earlier.</p>
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		<title>By: Fred McTaggart</title>
		<link>http://biggerthanyourhead.net/2008/08/09/a-few-bottles-from-trader-joes/comment-page-1/#comment-111193</link>
		<dc:creator>Fred McTaggart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Aug 2008 18:40:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with your assessment of the Trader Joe&#039;s imports. I&#039;ve had (still have) bottles of the Bastardo from 1999, 2000 and 2002, and all have been excellent. The 2000 is my favorite, but the 1999 is still drinking well. They remind me of the inexpensive Nebbiolo wines that were available in the early 1980s. I drank my last magnum of Dessillani Spanna ($4.99/magnum) about three or four years ago. Wish I had more.

I was also lukewarm about the Barbera d&#039;Alba, although it is still a great QPR at $5.99. The Valreas varies from year to year. The 2001 and 2004 were excellent; the 2005, a bit weak considering the vintage. I haven&#039;t tried the 2006 because it&#039;s been sold out every time I get to visit TJ&#039;s.

My notes on these wines are at my blog: www.artisanwine.blogspot.com. Would love to have some new visitors and comments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with your assessment of the Trader Joe&#8217;s imports. I&#8217;ve had (still have) bottles of the Bastardo from 1999, 2000 and 2002, and all have been excellent. The 2000 is my favorite, but the 1999 is still drinking well. They remind me of the inexpensive Nebbiolo wines that were available in the early 1980s. I drank my last magnum of Dessillani Spanna ($4.99/magnum) about three or four years ago. Wish I had more.</p>
<p>I was also lukewarm about the Barbera d&#8217;Alba, although it is still a great QPR at $5.99. The Valreas varies from year to year. The 2001 and 2004 were excellent; the 2005, a bit weak considering the vintage. I haven&#8217;t tried the 2006 because it&#8217;s been sold out every time I get to visit TJ&#8217;s.</p>
<p>My notes on these wines are at my blog: <a href="http://www.artisanwine.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.artisanwine.blogspot.com</a>. Would love to have some new visitors and comments.</p>
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		<title>By: Fredric Koeppel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fredric Koeppel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 11:18:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I started writing about wine 24 years ago, cooperatives were considered the lowest common denominator of winemaking. Wholesalers and importers would always say apologetically,  &quot;Well, it&#039;s from a co-op, but it&#039;s really good.&quot; That&#039;s an unfair assessment, of course, especially with improvements in basic techniques -- yes, you can actually keep barrels and tanks and hoses clean!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I started writing about wine 24 years ago, cooperatives were considered the lowest common denominator of winemaking. Wholesalers and importers would always say apologetically,  &#8220;Well, it&#8217;s from a co-op, but it&#8217;s really good.&#8221; That&#8217;s an unfair assessment, of course, especially with improvements in basic techniques &#8212; yes, you can actually keep barrels and tanks and hoses clean!</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas Pellechia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thomas Pellechia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 22:02:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fredric,

That&#039;s where the cooperatives come into the picture. Italy is filled with them, and they give many small producers a place to put their products. Some cooperatives are top notch that command good prices for their wines--some are not.

Think of Produttori del Barbaresco. That&#039;s one of the top notch cooperatives.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fredric,</p>
<p>That&#8217;s where the cooperatives come into the picture. Italy is filled with them, and they give many small producers a place to put their products. Some cooperatives are top notch that command good prices for their wines&#8211;some are not.</p>
<p>Think of Produttori del Barbaresco. That&#8217;s one of the top notch cooperatives.</p>
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		<title>By: Fredric Koeppel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fredric Koeppel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 17:51:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Terry, perhaps you can really help some of these small family producers, but do they make enough wine? Isn&#039;t a lot of this stuff sold locally? what are the economics involved?
(and i think you have the title of your first book about your italian wine adventures: &quot;Mud on their Boots and Heaven in their Hearts.&quot;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Terry, perhaps you can really help some of these small family producers, but do they make enough wine? Isn&#8217;t a lot of this stuff sold locally? what are the economics involved?<br />
(and i think you have the title of your first book about your italian wine adventures: &#8220;Mud on their Boots and Heaven in their Hearts.&#8221;)</p>
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		<title>By: Terry Hughes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Terry Hughes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 15:48:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amen, Tom, and those are the kinds of producers we are seeking out.  They&#039;ve got mud on their boots and heaven in their hearts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amen, Tom, and those are the kinds of producers we are seeking out.  They&#8217;ve got mud on their boots and heaven in their hearts.</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas Pellechia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thomas Pellechia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 15:40:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Terry,

I agree completely with your analysis. When I was in retail and made annual trips to VinItalia, in Verona, I used to marvel that small producers could even afford to pay for a booth. Then, I began to meet the families behind the wine and learned what it took for them to survive, and their level of devotion to the wine venture, for many, at great cost to their other income-producing activities.

Cooperatives help many of them, but a poorly run one can also suck them dry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Terry,</p>
<p>I agree completely with your analysis. When I was in retail and made annual trips to VinItalia, in Verona, I used to marvel that small producers could even afford to pay for a booth. Then, I began to meet the families behind the wine and learned what it took for them to survive, and their level of devotion to the wine venture, for many, at great cost to their other income-producing activities.</p>
<p>Cooperatives help many of them, but a poorly run one can also suck them dry.</p>
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		<title>By: Terry Hughes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Terry Hughes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 13:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Benito, 2 points.

1. My condolences for being in Cleveland.

2. The end of EU subsidies wouldn&#039;t have much effect on pricing. While small farmers/wine producers often get something, it is of course the big boys who rake in all the subsidy money (NB: it happens in our happy land too.)  

You have to remember that the cost of shipping, storage, import duties, etc, etc, all add a lot to the cost of a bottle of wine.  If I as an importer buy  wine at 2 euros, about $3, all of those costs double the bottle price.  Then our rather un-free-market 3 tiered-distribution system enters into the picture, with decent markups at each level.  The $3 bottle becomes a (say) $15 bottle to you, the consumer. 

How much is the producer actually making?  Not quite enough to pay for the steep increases in fuel, bottles, corks and labor, among other things.  He may or may not be able to upgrade his plants because of each of these factors.  He may be forced to sell a lot of the wine to a bulk packager because he can&#039;t afford the bottles, etc.  And he&#039;s probably in hock because he&#039;s made upgrades to each of aspect of his agricultural and cellar operations.  

The smaller producer is getting by, barely. And there&#039;s very often at least 2 other incomes from other sources to keep the operation afloat, viz., other family members who put everything they make into it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Benito, 2 points.</p>
<p>1. My condolences for being in Cleveland.</p>
<p>2. The end of EU subsidies wouldn&#8217;t have much effect on pricing. While small farmers/wine producers often get something, it is of course the big boys who rake in all the subsidy money (NB: it happens in our happy land too.)  </p>
<p>You have to remember that the cost of shipping, storage, import duties, etc, etc, all add a lot to the cost of a bottle of wine.  If I as an importer buy  wine at 2 euros, about $3, all of those costs double the bottle price.  Then our rather un-free-market 3 tiered-distribution system enters into the picture, with decent markups at each level.  The $3 bottle becomes a (say) $15 bottle to you, the consumer. </p>
<p>How much is the producer actually making?  Not quite enough to pay for the steep increases in fuel, bottles, corks and labor, among other things.  He may or may not be able to upgrade his plants because of each of these factors.  He may be forced to sell a lot of the wine to a bulk packager because he can&#8217;t afford the bottles, etc.  And he&#8217;s probably in hock because he&#8217;s made upgrades to each of aspect of his agricultural and cellar operations.  </p>
<p>The smaller producer is getting by, barely. And there&#8217;s very often at least 2 other incomes from other sources to keep the operation afloat, viz., other family members who put everything they make into it.</p>
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		<title>By: Benito</title>
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		<dc:creator>Benito</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Aug 2008 21:47:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Congrats on the addition to the family!  A cigar will be smoked in his honor.  

I&#039;m in Cleveland again, and there&#039;s a Trader Joe&#039;s not far from where I&#039;m staying.  Eclectic mix of ingredients and prepared foods, and the place is always packed.  Here too they&#039;re allowed to sell wine, though the in-store tastings run ten cents per sample.  Oh, my aching wallet!  

The prices are quite reasonable and the selection is often interesting.  Generally the person doing the pouring knows a great deal about the wines on offer--something you don&#039;t normally see at regular grocery stores, which tend to stick to the Yellowtail/Gallo kind of wines.  

As for the economics of the situation, if Europe moved to a true free market and dropped all wine subsidies and allowed winemakers to fail while others survived (perhaps even some AOCs/DOCs would disappear entirely), then we&#039;d probably see more &quot;fair&quot; pricing all around, but there&#039;s probably as much chance of that happening as the USA getting rid of our massive corn welfare.  (Rant over.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Congrats on the addition to the family!  A cigar will be smoked in his honor.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m in Cleveland again, and there&#8217;s a Trader Joe&#8217;s not far from where I&#8217;m staying.  Eclectic mix of ingredients and prepared foods, and the place is always packed.  Here too they&#8217;re allowed to sell wine, though the in-store tastings run ten cents per sample.  Oh, my aching wallet!  </p>
<p>The prices are quite reasonable and the selection is often interesting.  Generally the person doing the pouring knows a great deal about the wines on offer&#8211;something you don&#8217;t normally see at regular grocery stores, which tend to stick to the Yellowtail/Gallo kind of wines.  </p>
<p>As for the economics of the situation, if Europe moved to a true free market and dropped all wine subsidies and allowed winemakers to fail while others survived (perhaps even some AOCs/DOCs would disappear entirely), then we&#8217;d probably see more &#8220;fair&#8221; pricing all around, but there&#8217;s probably as much chance of that happening as the USA getting rid of our massive corn welfare.  (Rant over.)</p>
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		<title>By: Fredric Koeppel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fredric Koeppel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Aug 2008 17:34:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An interesting and sad, picture, Terry, considering that OUR point of view is that the Europeans are cleaning our clocks economically because the euro still reigns like an emperor over the dollar. When you look at, for example, the prices of French and Italian cheese at the grocery store, which are half again and in some cases twice what they were two years ago (or six months ago), Americans can&#039;t help feeling oppressed. I guess globilization is more subtle and layered than we suppose.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An interesting and sad, picture, Terry, considering that OUR point of view is that the Europeans are cleaning our clocks economically because the euro still reigns like an emperor over the dollar. When you look at, for example, the prices of French and Italian cheese at the grocery store, which are half again and in some cases twice what they were two years ago (or six months ago), Americans can&#8217;t help feeling oppressed. I guess globilization is more subtle and layered than we suppose.</p>
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