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]]> By: Fredric Koeppel http://biggerthanyourhead.net/2006/12/20/the-stake-in-the-ground/comment-page-1/#comment-85 Fredric Koeppel Fri, 22 Dec 2006 13:50:45 +0000 http://biggerthanyourhead.net/?p=32#comment-85 First, Terence, when LL came to town in mid 1990, I had been writing a weekly wine column for six years, and it was read nationally on the Scripps Howard news wire; pretty heady stuff. Tasting wine with LL however changed how I thought about wine and wrote about it. She has an excellent palate (thought she deprecates that and her knowledge) and sees a bottle of wine both as an individual construct and in the context of its making. The way she talked about wine as we would be having a bottle with dinner -- its qualities and its culture -- influenced me a great deal. Second, RFS and Mike, yes, the malleability of chardonnay and cabernet is the blessing and curse of those grapes. I like RFS's phrase "underlying physiologic stability," that's a perfect summation of the inherent strengths of these grapes, but again yes the manipulations wrought upon them have produced as many grotesqueries as the Sleep of Reason Produces Monsters. Pinot noir too suffers greatly from such depredations. First, Terence, when LL came to town in mid 1990, I had been writing a weekly wine column for six years, and it was read nationally on the Scripps Howard news wire; pretty heady stuff. Tasting wine with LL however changed how I thought about wine and wrote about it. She has an excellent palate (thought she deprecates that and her knowledge) and sees a bottle of wine both as an individual construct and in the context of its making. The way she talked about wine as we would be having a bottle with dinner — its qualities and its culture — influenced me a great deal.
Second, RFS and Mike, yes, the malleability of chardonnay and cabernet is the blessing and curse of those grapes. I like RFS’s phrase “underlying physiologic stability,” that’s a perfect summation of the inherent strengths of these grapes, but again yes the manipulations wrought upon them have produced as many grotesqueries as the Sleep of Reason Produces Monsters. Pinot noir too suffers greatly from such depredations.

]]> By: Mike http://biggerthanyourhead.net/2006/12/20/the-stake-in-the-ground/comment-page-1/#comment-84 Mike Thu, 21 Dec 2006 22:26:37 +0000 http://biggerthanyourhead.net/?p=32#comment-84 Fredric, I agree with RFS the two grapes mentioned are, in my opinion, the two most manipulated grapes of all of the varietals. Would you agree or disagree? And wouldn't the stake in the ground be driven near a true form of the grape. I give you LL did mention Chablis which I would like to see the stake driven near. But California Cabernet these days, huge, sweet I am not sure about that one. As always, very thought provoking. Fredric, I agree with RFS the two grapes mentioned are, in my opinion, the two most manipulated grapes of all of the varietals. Would you agree or disagree? And wouldn’t the stake in the ground be driven near a true form of the grape. I give you LL did mention Chablis which I would like to see the stake driven near. But California Cabernet these days, huge, sweet I am not sure about that one. As always, very thought provoking.

]]> By: rfs http://biggerthanyourhead.net/2006/12/20/the-stake-in-the-ground/comment-page-1/#comment-83 rfs Thu, 21 Dec 2006 21:53:19 +0000 http://biggerthanyourhead.net/?p=32#comment-83 With the caveat that I'm not an enologist or even very good at chemistry, I would say cab and chard are the two most malleable wines—but in the same way steel is malleable. There's an underlying physiologic stability to the vines and the juice that allows winemakers to do all kinds of things—pruning, water stress, ML, oak, yeast strains, adding water—to the wines that change them but without killing their essential complexity. The flip side is that there are a lot of awful, horrible chards and cabs as well. With the caveat that I’m not an enologist or even very good at chemistry, I would say cab and chard are the two most malleable wines—but in the same way steel is malleable. There’s an underlying physiologic stability to the vines and the juice that allows winemakers to do all kinds of things—pruning, water stress, ML, oak, yeast strains, adding water—to the wines that change them but without killing their essential complexity. The flip side is that there are a lot of awful, horrible chards and cabs as well.

]]> By: Terry Hughes http://biggerthanyourhead.net/2006/12/20/the-stake-in-the-ground/comment-page-1/#comment-82 Terry Hughes Thu, 21 Dec 2006 21:46:26 +0000 http://biggerthanyourhead.net/?p=32#comment-82 FK, maybe you should give LL a regular column here. She's smart, she's sassy, she doesn't smoke cigars. I'm starting to get that Astaire/Rogers vibe...you know, you give her sex and she gives you class. Or did I just mix that up? FK, maybe you should give LL a regular column here. She’s smart, she’s sassy, she doesn’t smoke cigars.

I’m starting to get that Astaire/Rogers vibe…you know, you give her sex and she gives you class. Or did I just mix that up?

]]> By: eljefe http://biggerthanyourhead.net/2006/12/20/the-stake-in-the-ground/comment-page-1/#comment-81 eljefe Thu, 21 Dec 2006 21:09:24 +0000 http://biggerthanyourhead.net/?p=32#comment-81 hi LL - that's true, our Nacha would have her way with it too. (One time a little spaghetti was spilled near the dining room table - she naturally cleaned up the spill immediately - and dutifully showed up in that exact spot every night in case another such opportunity presented itself..:) hi FK - Viognier only because it was once something of a lost varietal and is making such a great resurgence. I hope to change your mind about it one day! cheers and have a happy! - j hi LL – that’s true, our Nacha would have her way with it too. (One time a little spaghetti was spilled near the dining room table – she naturally cleaned up the spill immediately – and dutifully showed up in that exact spot every night in case another such opportunity presented itself..:)

hi FK – Viognier only because it was once something of a lost varietal and is making such a great resurgence. I hope to change your mind about it one day!

cheers and have a happy! – j

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